tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931926376795694670.post2506359502196212338..comments2014-12-14T06:43:55.755-07:00Comments on Minor Mutterings: Eye Brow Raising - Mystery of Providence, Chapter 2Jerryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10596065269535476259noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931926376795694670.post-76592982563609805602008-02-11T16:33:00.000-07:002008-02-11T16:33:00.000-07:00Thanks for adding that explanation Jerry. I had n...Thanks for adding that explanation Jerry. I had never heard of that concept before equating drawing a breath and obtaining a reasonable soul. That could very well be what he is thinking there. Of course then your passage from Luke 1 irrefutably speaks exactly to that.<BR/><BR/>The reason I thought perhaps the debate with Flavel lies upon when life begins or when is the moment the soul is imparted while yet within the womb was his words "Others die in, or shortly after they come out of the womb, and though their life was but a moment, yet that moment entails an eternity upon them." So that though they may die "in the womb" yet there is an eternity before them.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for blogging on this - what a great way to increase the value of reading Flavel's book - and Sibbes' earlier for that matter. I hope to read your Sibbes comments as well.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772782406743899142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931926376795694670.post-55440399288240075912008-02-11T15:13:00.000-07:002008-02-11T15:13:00.000-07:00Scott,Thanks for your kind words.I took Flavel to ...Scott,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your kind words.<BR/><BR/>I took Flavel to be saying that unless one draws breath ("had a reasonable soul breathed into them") they do not obtain a soul.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I am reading more into him than he intended, but I have known folks today who hold to that position, stating that abortion is perfectly acceptable just so long as the child never draws a breath and thus receives a soul.<BR/><BR/>I guess that we will have to ask Flavel about his intention on the other side.Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10596065269535476259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5931926376795694670.post-22496686411536361222008-02-11T12:44:00.000-07:002008-02-11T12:44:00.000-07:00Yeah, I can't say I agree with Flavel here either....Yeah, I can't say I agree with Flavel here either. But I did give Flavel credit that he wasn't speaking of all that die within the womb - it seems there may be a point of contention as to the moment when life begins or the soul is imparted - but as I read him - I believe he considers life as beginning in the womb and that many that die being yet unborn we will see in eternity. Do you agree that he is saying that? It was by a working of His divine power and therefore we should consider that we ourselves did not die in the womb and have a measure of time in which to glorify His name here. <BR/><BR/>I read all your Flavel posts thru 2/11/08. Thanks - what a remarkable testimony to the praise of his glorious grace! You make an example that we ought to put Flavel's advice to practice.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772782406743899142noreply@blogger.com